Back doing some rolling again but having a bit of a problem getting submissions. I think I was super eager to just be back rolling and was hunting for that ‘win’ , and subsequently was getting it less often 😕
Couldn’t go asleep last night thinking about it so here are my thoughts
What was often happening was, I would score a takedown or sweep, pass the guard and land in side control or mount and then be stuck there for quiet some time, in a bit of a stalemate. I know in an IBJJF comp the person would not be likely to stay put in this position as they are most likely losing on points but in a SubOnly comp, or oftentimes in the gym, the person ain’t so concerned about points…
So they stay put on their back, with tight elbows, shoulders shrugged and both hand’s clenched near their ears, forming an effective and frustrating defence to the standard subs (armbars, chokes, shoulder locks)
What to do? (also if I land this position in an IBJJF comp, the emphasis is on me to attack and I can ultimately be disqualified if I do not, often leading to No.1 on our list)
Here are 8 strategies to deal with ultra defensive bjj
1. Brute force.
Just go for the submission anyway, disregarding his strong defensive position. Can be problematic though if he is stronger than you.
Plus this can often be exactly what he is waiting for, you over commit offensively and are wide open for a counter
Also if you rough him up too much, he is likely to return the favour when he gets a chance
2. Set up sub earlier.
Work in the grey areas, halfway between the guard pass and a solid pin, taking advantages of any openings before he switches up strategically to go ultra defensive.
Can be difficult to do with somebody of you own level or higher though, passing the guard is tricky enuf as it is without adding in this extra work.
Common example would be kneeslide/x-choke combination or in nogi the brabo choke while passing 1/2 guard
3. Choice of passes.
Choose passes that expose him for submission e.g he try’s to push away and is open for armbar or as he defends the guard pass his legs are in good position for an ankle lock.
Or choose passes that lead to you taking his back and perhaps he is not so good at defending from there?
4.Force him to open up.
Pressure e.g Knee on belly, he will most likely have to open up to defend the positional pressure, and you can pick off the openings
5. Trick him to open up.
Make him think an escape is on, but you have a trap set up. Marcello Garcia is the master of this approach. For example, as your opponent explodes out of position, hit him with the guilloteine or armbar/omoplata
6. Weaken his defensive position.
Instead of letting him keep his elbows tight alongside his ribs, move further up his body, either in side control or mount, and get his elbows right up in the air.
7. Double attack.
Works well in combination with 6. Overwhelm his defences, classic example being x-choke, while he’s defending this hit him with the armbar.
10 time world champ, Roger Gracie, explains it better
8. Use his strong defensive position against him.
This is the part that I was stuck on for a long time and still am I suppose. Although this is quiet a strong defensive position, easily implemented by anybody with a few months training, there must be some weaknesses.
I couldn’t think of any…
But we done a bit of specific positional sparring this morning and had a quick discussion of everybody’s successful approaches. Most went with one of he above.
Donatas went with number 8, check it out
Jeebus, few variations there
variation from side, but there might be too much space there? I will definitely be trying out the barata plata from mount, fingers crossed it solves my conundrum 🙂
Hope these 8 strategies to deal with ultra defensive bjj help you stay true to the roots of BJJ and get that sub
Lost in the first round, didn’t have a clue what the rules were, was freaked out by starting from standing and got hit with an arm drag when I tried to touch hands at the start…
Gold -76kg intermediate
Great day! had the bro with me and comp was going smooth, serious war in the final with Tom Bermingham followed by a tasty subway with Pat and Niall Mullen. Onwards and Upwards!
1 month in Rio, good times 🙂
Bronze – 76kg white belt
Travelled over with the driller killer Niall Mullen and got 6 matches, good experience. Went to the wrong airport on the way back though 😕
Gold -76kg intermediate
Gold -76kg white belt
Silver open weight white belt
Silver -76kg intermediate nogi
11 matches on the day with 8 finishes, definitely a good foundation for later competitions.
Double gold – 76kg + Open weight white belt (8 wins, 6 subs)
Got cheap flights so popped over and back myself on the same day, result!
Was just doing a class out in SBG in the morning, getting tapped over and over as per usual and then ended up doing a short enough iron man, didn’t have a clue what that was at the time but got a blue belt afterwards to my suprise offa John Kavanagh 🙂
Was all about getting that sub at white belt so 20 to 1, victories vs losses by sub wasn’t bad.
Silver – Nogi advanced
Won 3 straight by submission but caught in the final by a quick triangle…
Was doing alright until I met Tim Murphy in the semis, very traumatic…. 22-2 on points, was trying so hard that I almost passed out towards the end but just couldn’t get back in the match….
Bronze -73kg intermediate
First comp abroad at blue belt and got caught out using the underhook from half guard too much, time too mix up the game!
Gold – Blue belt light weight (3 matches, 3 subs)
First big comp at blue so was nice to get off to a flying start.
gold -73.5kg intermediate
bronze in the absolute
Long trip up in the leddy mobile, only got the 3 matches so not ideal. one was over in 20 seconds, the second was against my team mate and the third was a draw which I then lost on first to takedown…
Sub only, 1 win 3 draws and 1 loss, hard to get the finishes nogi in the few minutes 🙂